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Carolingian Frankish

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Carolingian Frankish (III/28)


1. Frisian allies

2. Aquitanian dates


Proposal 1: Allow Frisian allies in 716


Proposer: Duncan Head



Only Chilperic II in AD 716:

Frisian allies - List: Old Saxon, Frisian, Bavarian, Thuringian or Early Anglo-Saxon (Bk 2)


Add to notes:

"Frisian allies may include their list's entire complement of naval elements."



In 716, an allied force of Neustrian Franks under the Merovingian king Chilperic II and Frisians under their duke (or king) Radbod - who had apparently sailed up the Rhine with a large fleet - defeated the Austrasian Franks under the Mayor of the Palace Charles Martel at Cologne, but were subsequently surprised and defeated in turn by Martel at the Battle of Amblève.



Roger Collins, Early Medieval Europe, 300-1000 (Macmillan 1999) p.264


Leopold August Warnkönig and Pierre Auguste F. Gérard, Histoire des Carolingiens (1862), for "un gran nombre de bateaux"


James Mann Williamson, The Life and Times of Saint Boniface (1904), p.44-45 (for sailing up the Rhine).





Proposal 2: Amend Aquitanian dates


Proposer: Duncan Head



Only if Aquitanian C-in-c from 830 AD to 838 AD...


Only if Aquitanian C-in-c before 770 or from 830 AD to 838 AD...


Change in notes:

"Aquitaine was only briefly independent, in rebellion from 830 to 838."


"Aquitaine was semi-independent at the start of the period and despite being subdued several times was not brought decisively under central control until Charlemagne defeated Hunald II in 769. It was then only briefly independent, in rebellion from 830 to 838."


Among other things, the current list wording ignores Eudo's Aquitanian army which was defeated by the Arabs in 732, necessitating Charles Martel's Tours campaign.


Roger Collins, Early Medieval Europe, 300-1000, pp. 268-9, 271-2, 278-9.

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