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Khmer and Cham

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Contents

 

1. New allies for Cham

2. Chariot for Khmer CinC

 

 

Khmer and Cham: An Amendment

Book 3: List 23

 

Author: Mat

Under Discussion

 

Summary

New allies for the Cham.

 

Proposal

Cham - only between 1150-1160AD

Ally-generals Cham general on Elephant as Irr El (O) @ 21 or Hill tribe ally-general as hill tribesmen @ 8 AP *1-2(1)

Hill tribes all Irr Ax(O) @ 3 or all Irr Wb(F) @ 3 *4-12(2)

Cham Hill tribe archers Irr Ps(O) *2-6 (3)

 

  • = must be used if any are.

 

Cham Ally generals may command hill tribe and Cham troops. Note that taking a Cham ally-general will trigge the Hill tribesmen minima.

Hill tribal ally generals can only command tribal troops. Hill Tribe ally generals must be the same troop type as Hill tribes.

 

Justification

 

I quote the article under 'Cham civil war of 1150-60' from the book "Dictionary of wars". It is short.

 

"After his victory over the Khmers Hooray!!, Jaya Harivarman I ruler of the kingdom of Champa, was faced with frequent challenges to his authority, most notably by his brother-in-law Vamsaraja, whose rebellion was supported by Cham hill tribes my emphasis. Suffering a defeat in 1150, Vamsaraja sought help from the ruler of Dai Viet or Annam, who sent 5,000 troops to him The Cham do get Medieval Vietnamese allies. Jaya Harivarman led troops from the Cham capital of Vijaya into battle on the plains of Dalva and Lavang and was victorious: he inflicted heavy losses on Dai Viets's soldiers. His troops went on to pacify the rebellious Cham regions of Amaravati in 1151 and, after a hard five-year struggle, Panduranga in 1160".

 

Note: the reference to 'Cham' hill tribes Might indicate that all Cham armies should be able to get IrrAx(O) or similar, a la the Khmers IrAx(O), but short of a definite source stating that a (non rebel) Cham army did have them, I will not make that assertion.

Note: It might be said that an Early Vietnamese Ally with a maxima of troops allowed would do as well as the inclusion of the above proposal, and indeed it might, but the Early Vietnamese lists end in 939, and the rebellion started in 1150. The Medieval Vietnamese, with their various compulsory Regular court troops, will not do.

 

Endnotes:

(1) The two different ally generals consider that Vamsaraja (the CinC) as a rebel himself, cannot expect great loyalty from his other Cham generals, who would be mounted on elephants, and the possibility that the supporting Cham hill tribes would have their own leader.

(1a) Jaya Harivarman took 5 years to subdue the rebellious province of Panduranga one of the 4 main divisions of Champa. I believe a civil

war/rebellion normally precipitates ally generals in Dbm? I'm not to clear on this. The rebellious army at any rate probably should have them.

(2) The hill tribes are graded Ax(O) or Wb(F) in reference to the Early Vietnamese, Medieval Vietnamese, and the Khmer lists, each of which has these troop types as the primary "tribal" or "Hill tribe" types.

(2a) The number is actually arbitrary, but I would think that the number should indicate that Vamsaraja would not have more Hill Tribe supporters than the Khmer nation is allowed (assuming the IrAx(O) in the Khmer list are similar), thus a number less than 24EE. Half that number seems adequate.

(3) Most (all?) other East Asian Tribal and Hill tribes have skirmishers in their various lists, all at a smaller proportion than the 'fighting' troops. I have done the same here.

Khmer and Cham List: Amendment

Author: Karl Heniz Ranitzsch

Under Discussion

Summary: Khmer C-in-C have option to ride chariot.

 

Proposal/Justification

In the Khmer list, the C-in-C must ride an elephant.

 

However there is good evidence that at least sometimes he used a chariot in battle. One of the Khmer kings sent a chariot "that had brought him many victories" as a gift to an Indian temple.

 

A few more details in my article "The Thalassocracy of Srivijaya" in Slingshot 199

 

Discussion: This has centred on whether the chariot was indeed a war-chariot or simply some other wheeled vehicle. The second issue was whether there was enough chariots 1 is less than the DBM definition of 25 for this to justify replacing an Elephant-borne CinC with a chariot element.

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