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Palaiologan Byzantine

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IIV/50 Palaiologan Byzantine: A Revised List

Under Discussion

 

Author: Jim Webster

 

C in C. Reg Cv(O) @ 28AP 1

Sub-General- as C in C 1-2

Only from 1321

Sub-general - as C in C 0-1

Byzantine Ally General- as C in C 0-1 (8)

Before 1321

Vardariotai guards. All Reg LH(F) at 4AP or All Reg LH(O) @ 5AP *1-6 (1)

Tzakones or similar Guards. Reg Ax(S) @ 5AP. *1-6

Kavallarioi - Reg Kn(O) @ 12AP 2-3

Stratiotai - Reg Cv(O) @ 8AP 8-12

Kontaratoi - Reg Sp(I) @ 4AP 0-8

Archers -Reg Ps(O) @ 2AP or Reg Bw(I) @ 4AP. 8-24

Replace archers with Mourtatoi guards. Reg Bw(O) @ 5AP 0-8

 

Peasants or Town Militia (3)

Peasant or town militia Ally General. Irr Cv(O) @12AP or Irr LH (O) 10AP 1*****

Up to ½ Irr Ps(O) @2AP, up to ½ Irr Ax(I) @2AP, up to ½ Irr Hd(0) @ 1AP 0-30

Replace Irr Ax(I) with Reg Sp(I) as town Militia @ 4AP up to 4.

Replace Irr Ax(I) to Irr Ax(O) @4AP up to 4

 

Tzakones, Gazmouloi or similar Byzantine Marines. Regular Ax(S) @ 5AP 1 per Byzantine Galley

Byzantine ghaleia- Reg Gal(F) @ 2AP Ax(S) 0-2

Genoese-up to ¼ Reg Bd(S) @ 9AP, rest Reg Bw(O) @ 5AP. 1 per Genoese Galley

Genoese Galleys- Reg Gal (F) @ 2AP. Bd or Bw 0-4

 

Turkish Allies (4)

Turkish Ally General. Irr Cv(O) @ 12AP or Irr Cv(S) @ 14AP or Irr LH(S) @ 12AP. 1

Turkish Cavalry. Irr Cv(O) @ 7AP or Irr Cv(S) @ 9AP. 0-5

Turkish Light Horse. Irr LH(S) @ 7AP 0-15

Turkish Spearmen. Irr Ax(O) 3AP or Irr Sp(I) @ 4AP 0-15 (5)

Turkish Archers. Irr Ps(O) @ 2AP or Irr Bw (I) @ 3AP or Irr Bw(O) @ 4AP 15-30

 

Servant Allies (6)

Allied General. Reg LH(O) @ 15AP or Reg Ax(S) @ 15AP ****1

Servants. Up to ½ Irr Ps(O) @ 2AP, up to ½ Irr Ps(I) @ 1AP, up to ½ Hd(O) @ 1AP 0-1 Element of servants for every General, Guard, Kavallarioi, Stratiotai, Tourkopouloi or Catalan element

Replace Servant Irr Ps(I) with Irr Ax(I) @ 2AP up to half

 

Only from 1282 AD to 1283AD

Golden Horde Mongol Allies - List; Golden Horde and Successors (Bk 4)

 

Only before 1292 AD

Cumans -Irr LH(F) @ 4AP 8-18

 

Only before 1306

Tourkopouloi -Reg LH(S) @ 7AP 1-6

 

Only from 1301 AD to 1305 AD

Trans_Danuban Refugee Alan Allies (7)

Alan Allied General. Irr LH(F) @ 9AP ***

Replace Alan LH-General with Irr Kn(F) @14AP

Alan Cavalry. Irr LH(F) @ 4AP 8-24

Replace those Irr LH(F) without horses with Irr Bw(I) @ 3AP. Up to ¼

 

Only from 1347 (1348?)

Catalans Guards. All Reg LH(O) @ 5AP or all Reg Bd(F) at 7AP or all Bd(X) @ 8AP 0-6 (2)

 

Only from 1327 to 1352

Serbian allies - List Serbian Empire (Bk 4)

Bulgar Allies - List Later Bulgar (Bk 4) 0-12

 

*Minima marked only count if C in C is the Emperor

    • Minima marked only if any Turkish allies are used.
      • Minima marked only if an Alans are used.
        • Minima marked only if an servants are used. If any servants are used

they must be commanded by a Servant ally general

          • Compulsory only if more than 8 elements of peasants or militia are

used.

 

A Turkish Ally General may only command Turkish troops and must command all Turks

A Peasant or Town Militia Ally General may only command troops from his own indented list and must command all of them.

A Servant Ally General may only command troops from his own indented list and must command all of them

An Alan Allied General may only command Alans from his own indented list and must command all Alans.

A Byzantine Ally General may command any troops a Byzantine Sub general may.

 

1. The end date is put in as Bartusis points out they are last mentioned in the literature in the later thirteenth century.

In "The late Byzantine army 1204-1453" by Mark C Bartusis the example is given of one George Pissas who came before the Patriarch Germanos II (1223-40) who avoided service as a Vardariotes by becoming a monk but having eluded his pursuers he now wanted the right to marry. While the Vardariotai may have been Hungarian settlers in the 10th century, it looks as if they had been fully integrated into the Greek population and were merely soldiers as opposed to nomad horse archers. As there is no record of them holding Pronoiai it is probable that they were not heavy cavalry.

 

2. Catalans.

After the discussion on Ancmed Bd(F) or possibly Bd(X) seems to be more appropriate but Almughavars are on the list of uncertain troop types. Also "The Emperor Kantakouzenos gathered about 500 of the Catalans... light armed and beggars going about the city in every direction, and he armed them and fed them to be a bodyguard. " Bartusis and Zachariadou link these Catalans with the Ianotzaroi and Gianitzaroi guards, deriving the name from a Greek transliteration of genet to ianet. In which case the Catalans on the list are probably about right at 6 elements, but can be infantry or LH(O) .

 

3. Peasants or town militia

An army sent into Asia Minor in 1329 consisted of 2000 troops who were outnumbered by "farmers, vulgar and common and sure to debase the combat." Given that most armies of this period might hope to be 5000 strong the numbers of peasants or town militia allowed is far too low.

The option of an ally general is that some of these forces seem to have operated semi-independently under a local dignitary or charismatic leader

 

4. Turkish allies.

Because these allies were so integral to some armies and I put them in the list. It also allows the Byzantines to use Turkish infantry, which they did on a regular basis. Such foot could form the majority of the force. It also allows these allied forces to make up a suitably large proportion of the Byzantine force. As it was, under the current system, allies drawn from the Anatolian Turkoman list cannot include infantry.

 

5. I have given Turkish spearmen an option Ax or Sp(I).

 

6. Servant allies

John Vatatzes "gathered together those serving the soldiers for pay, whom the vulgar tongue calls Tzouloukones, and he stirred them to conquer" the lower un-walled part of the town of Serres. In 1322 'The insults of the farmers defending the place so enraged the retainers of the soldiers that they asked and received permission to seize the fort themselves." The servants were not part of the army, potentially not even 'Byzantines' and were obviously not in the line of command. I . You can have one base of servants for every base of mounted troops and Guards in the army. Because, firstly, they seem to have fought separately, not intermingled with regular units, and secondly, they seem to have either asked permission to take part, or the commander had to talk them into participating, I would suggest that they be a separate, Allied command. The Allied general is assumed to be some old soldier type or equivalent given command on the day

 

7. Alans.

I have my doubts whether you can model the Alans in the Byzantine army using a list from Book 2. According to Gregoras quoted by Bartusis, the Alans had to be armed and given mounts from weapons and horses levied from the Byzantine countryside. Hence Irr LH (F). Muntaner describes some Alans as Knights, and in his account there does seem to be some bettered armed and equipped aristocracy. Battle accounts indicate there were not very many of them.

 

8. Ally Generals

I gave the option for the period covering the civil wars and later where generals and troops did change sides during campaigns. I have cut down the number of sub generals because after this period most armies seem to have had to use a lot of allies.

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